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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: ForeverFamily on February 17, 2012, 04:22 am
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I'll put the listings up Saturday morning. Not sure how many sheets yet but I'll know very soon. This will be my last sale for a little while and I'm not sure if I'll return or not. This batch is very very strong, a few customers have reported half tab full on trips. ;D I'll leave the listings up until I'm out of stock and all orders will be shipped out Monday morning via Priority with DCN. See you guys then! ;D
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789
--FF
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id like to see some people that i actually know from around here post some reports, cuz i really doubt its 150mics if its even lsd at all. theres plenty of good lucy out there, lucy that doesnt take 6 weeks to get people and then it turns out to be bunk.
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id like to see some people that i actually know from around here post some reports, cuz i really doubt its 150mics if its even lsd at all. theres plenty of good lucy out there, lucy that doesnt take 6 weeks to get people and then it turns out to be bunk.
Lol, welcome back toker. May I direct you to my vendor page? If you'll scroll to the bottom there's a bit of feedback for you to check out. ;D
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789
Nobody's forcing you to read this thread or to order. This is for the people who have already ordered and are ready for more ;D
As for the 150ug claim, I'm getting reports back that even a half tab is a very enjoyable trip. So could be even higher. ;D
--FF
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Wow... ANOTHER thread? Seriously? Why don't you stick with one legitimate review thread like every other vendor? Is it because you want to cover up the negativity that plagues your other 2 threads?
Also ANOTHER sale? Wasn't the "family" clearing house when "all" of you initially joined the SR? I'm almost 100% sure that you have not filled every order to date yet you are out trying to sell more LSD. Why don't you work on creating a solid reputation before pulling all of these sales.
Seems like out of all of your transactions you have maybe 30% show up and any great quality review you receive you inflate like a condom in your ass giving the illusion that all of your customers are satisfied, by using it as rebuttal again any skepticism and flaunting it around the forum. Never have I seen a vendor Billie Mays (R.I.P) their product to such an extent as you Family Forever. You promote your product better than actually selling your stock, and that my friend is a recipe for disaster. Just look at your experience here at the Road.
- Sincerely, an observant person.
DISCLAIMER: Basing my argument mostly off of the forums/ not feedback from SR
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Wow... ANOTHER thread? Seriously? Why don't you stick with one legitimate review thread like every other vendor? Is it because you want to cover up the negativity that plagues your other 2 threads?
Also ANOTHER sale? Wasn't the "family" clearing house when "all" of you initially joined the SR? I'm almost 100% sure that you have not filled every order to date yet you are out trying to sell more LSD. Why don't you work on creating a solid reputation before pulling all of these sales.
Seems like out of all of your transactions you have maybe 30% show up and any great quality review you receive you inflate like a condom in your ass giving the illusion that all of your customers are satisfied, by using it as rebuttal again any skepticism and flaunting it around the forum. Never have I seen a vendor Billie Mays (R.I.P) their product to such an extent as you Family Forever. You promote your product better than actually selling your stock, and that my friend is a recipe for disaster. Just look at your experience here at the Road.
- Sincerely, an observant person.
DISCLAIMER: Basing my argument mostly off of the forums/ not feedback from SR
Lol, if I wanted to "cover up the negativity of the other 2 threads" don't you think I would have just deleted them...? This is a new thread for a new sale. I can go through the list and see at least 5 other vendors who do the exact same thing. Again, why is it so hard to click my vendor page and check my feedback? It's obvious you haven't. :-\
--FF
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Again, why is it so hard to click my vendor page and check my feedback? It's obvious you haven't. :-\
The number of feedbacks mentioning refunds is alarming for domestic LSD. When that percentage starts going down, buyers of your product will go up.
As always, I wish you luck and look forward to seeing more positive reviews of your product. Thanks.
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Again, why is it so hard to click my vendor page and check my feedback? It's obvious you haven't. :-\
The number of feedbacks mentioning refunds is alarming for domestic LSD. When that percentage starts going down, buyers of your product will go up.
As always, I wish you luck and look forward to seeing more positive reviews of your product. Thanks.
Yea :-\ I've been issuing a lot of refunds for the first round of orders that didn't make it before I switched a few things up. I took a bit of a hit for it, but the sun is finally shining and things are turning around ;D I had a bunch of sheets received in the last week and everybody seems to love it ;D All I ask is that you please check my vendor feedback before making any assumptions based on forum chat ::)
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789
--FF
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I have been following this "LSD" fiasco since day 1. Honestly, I think you're setting yourself up for failure. After TWO fucked up threads, 30% shipping success and your blatant lying about shit. People here has to be on crack (no offense to crack heads) if they're buying your sheets. WOOO GROUP BUY. my ass. stop this.
Just stop now. take a break for a week or two, let people receive their "promised land" sheets, test it out, come back and vouch for your ass. THEN open up a GROUPSALE WHERE I'LL GET ALL OF YOUR MONEY THEN BLAME YOU FOR TROLLING ME. I don't care if it's still in escrow, but it takes a lot out of us (you, the vendor and us, the buyers) when we have to wait for shit.
Sit back, drop a tab or two. Enjoy the trip.
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I have been following this "LSD" fiasco since day 1. Honestly, I think you're setting yourself up for failure. After TWO fucked up threads, 30% shipping success and your blatant lying about shit. People here has to be on crack (no offense to crack heads) if they're buying your sheets. WOOO GROUP BUY. my ass. stop this.
Just stop now. take a break for a week or two, let people receive their "promised land" sheets, test it out, come back and vouch for your ass. THEN open up a GROUPSALE WHERE I'LL GET ALL OF YOUR MONEY THEN BLAME YOU FOR TROLLING ME. I don't care if it's still in escrow, but it takes a lot out of us (you, the vendor and us, the buyers) when we have to wait for shit.
Sit back, drop a tab or two. Enjoy the trip.
+1. and give up the "All I ask is that you please look at my feedback" bullshit. I and everyone else has looked at your bullshit and half of them say Great seller never got jack shit. Lol your a great seller. You made other accounts, ordered and cancelled in order to boost feedback. Nice one bro. 8)
EDIT: just noticed you are trying to discount the "forum chat", last time I checked, that's one reason the fucking forum existed for is for buyers like us to warn one another of scammers like yourself. Am I wrong? Also, someone may of gotten a random white piece of paper, assumed you were legit, finalized, then ate your bunk paper and came here and let us all know. GTFO already, time for a name change if you wanna make money around here. Chuck up the deuce to my weak ass scammer friend. You aren't even a good scammer LMAO. You even suck at being a piece of shit, that must really suck. :'(
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Lol, if I wanted to "cover up the negativity of the other 2 threads" don't you think I would have just deleted them...? This is a new thread for a new sale. I can go through the list and see at least 5 other vendors who do the exact same thing. Again, why is it so hard to click my vendor page and check my feedback? It's obvious you haven't. :-\
--FF
1. You do not have the powers on this forum to just delete threads. Your posts maybe you can edit them, so don't just shrug it off like it is no big deal.
2. Can I have the name of the 5 other vendors? Would like to take a look myself.
3. There you go again with your vendor feedback on SR did you not read my disclaimer? It's obvious you haven't. :-\ I don't care what your feedback says. The forums have said it all FamilyForever, and based on the forums you are doing a shitty service.
Do you know how easy it is to artificially make up those transactions/feedbacks? Even easier when you have a "family" working for you. Especially when you put up and take away listing as much as you do. That way when people go look at your feedback in retrospect it will lead them to "This item is not listed"
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Lol, if I wanted to "cover up the negativity of the other 2 threads" don't you think I would have just deleted them...? This is a new thread for a new sale. I can go through the list and see at least 5 other vendors who do the exact same thing. Again, why is it so hard to click my vendor page and check my feedback? It's obvious you haven't. :-\
--FF
1. You do not have the powers on this forum to just delete threads. Your posts maybe you can edit them, so don't just shrug it off like it is no big deal.
2. Can I have the name of the 5 other vendors? Would like to take a look myself.
3. There you go again with your vendor feedback on SR did you not read my disclaimer? It's obvious you haven't. :-\ I don't care what your feedback says. The forums have said it all FamilyForever, and based on the forums you are doing a shitty service.
Do you know how easy it is to artificially make up those transactions/feedbacks? Even easier when you have a "family" working for you. Especially when you put up and take away listing as much as you do. That way when people go look at your feedback in retrospect it will lead them to "This item is not listed"
+1, the eyes are opening all around us... Aah music to my ears. And I'd love that list of the 5 vendors, as well as any quote relating to actual proof of me scamming anyone for anything. Until then consider my dick in your mouth and you being unable to speak to me. Peace
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FF you claimed to have 50+ orders from the sale weekend (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=10690.msg111533#msg111533)
At that time you also owed a bunch of people re-ships from your bunk first shipments.
So by your earlier accounts, 50-70+ orders should have arrived in the past week.
What proportion of that would you say have arrived?
Looking at your feedback page, I see a number of 5/5 feedbacks with no actual comments - this usually indicates a refund that may well have been forced by SR admin or may have been voluntary on your part. It rarely indicates a successful order.
Taking that into account, I'm not counting more than 12 deliveries in the past two weeks, on the basis of your feedback and your threads...Even if all of the 5/5s with no comment ARE successful orders, then I'm STILL not counting more than 16 successful orders in the past 2 weeks.
Can you please answer the question? 50+ sale orders you claimed. A whole bunch of re-ships on top of that. How come only 12-16 feedbacks indicating successful receipt in that time?
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Not that I want to get in the middle of this flame fest, but I just have to ask, who has actually gotten scammed by FF? AFAIK, no one has. Anyone who didn't receive anything got a full refund from what I can tell. It's obvious that shipping, and communication were terrible to say the least, but product did show up, and it appears to be pretty damn good too from what people have said. So, I'll ask again, wheres the scam? We all know now that his shipping takes a long time, and it's in full escrow, so whats the problem?
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The problem is that the more obvious bullshit goes on, the more and more FF looks like someone who can't be trusted and shouldn't be trusted.
We know now that there HAVE been FF customers finalizing early. Just go look at the feedbacks. The problem is that this has happened before and those of us who care about the integrity of the community and the safety of its members want very much to make sure that it doesn't happen again, if nothing else.
We also see that FF is pre-announcing a sale which right now he has no right to be announcing, given that DigiAlch said he would have to fulfill all orders before listing any more and we know that all orders have not been fulfilled. Which looks ever more sketchy. It's not umimaginable that FF will be trying to get people who are intereste din the sale to send coin directly telling them 'oh look I can't list this properly because of a few loose ends to tie up but look at all my great reviews - you know I'm legit.' I'm not saying he WILL be doing that - but that is exactly how a scam WOULD play out at this stage. So we are trying to make sure it can't.
One thing is clear - either a LOT of people have not received product, or FF was bullshitting about his 50+ sale order. I suspect that there are not dozens of people waiting for product and that FF's claim of 50+ orders was just blustering bullshit.
So okay - that's just bragging and bulshitting but it's not scamming. But trust me - if you know this business well, be it IRL or online, then you know that people who will bullshit about one thing will usually bullshit about another and are best avoided. They are exactly the kind of people who run out on you and scam you just when you think you've developed a relationship with them. I'm not saying this applies to FF. I am saying FF displays some of the tell-tale signs of someone who would do that.
I hope that FF is just a rather unstable personality but basically honest because we do indeed need people slinging good sheets on here. But I would like to hear FF reassure the community about the discrepancy I have identified between their claims to have 50+ orders and the fact that in the same time-frame only 16 (max) people have admitted to receiving orders.
And just to add - I really don't think I am flaming anyone. I wouldn't want to be. Is this not a legitimate question: 50+ orders claimed / max 16 received so far - what's the deal? i
Is that not a fair question?
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You guys are straight fucking retarded with your claims. Youre nailing him cause be started another sale thread? Are you stupid? Anybody can go back and read through the previous thread if they want. The refunds occur mostly because FF didn't provide DCN #'s and a lot of people saw and took advantage of this, nonetheless the mans wallet took a dent. It is his first time online vending cut him some slack. All claims have been reshipped or refunded, he has held up his end of the deal. Anyone who claims to not receive anything and not have a reship / refund are nonexistent here.
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You guys are straight fucking retarded with your claims. Youre nailing him cause be started another sale thread? Are you stupid? Anybody can go back and read through the previous thread if they want. The refunds occur mostly because FF didn't provide DCN #'s and a lot of people saw and took advantage of this, nonetheless the mans wallet took a dent. It is his first time online vending cut him some slack. All claims have been reshipped or refunded, he has held up his end of the deal. Anyone who claims to not receive anything and not have a reship / refund are nonexistent here.
Holly exactly which of my claims is 'retarded'?
That FF's feedback indicates only 16 recepits in the past 2 weeks? Go check for yourself.
That FF claimed to have 50+ sale orders? I've quoted the page - go check for yoursef.
So which of those claims is retarded Holly?
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By the way I finalized the second it was in transit and it arrived, and is as advertised. Sorry be can't give you 100% details on the way he handles the product but either way its fucking here and you're all fuckin queer if you're hyping it up for him to be removed. Shame on yourselves, this is the lowest prices we've seen on SR, you don't really think there is no jealousy? It's business. End the fiasco, let the consumer decide.
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By the way I finalized the second it was in transit and it arrived, and is as advertised. Sorry be can't give you 100% details on the way he handles the product but either way its fucking here and you're all fuckin queer if you're hyping it up for him to be removed. Shame on yourselves, this is the lowest prices we've seen on SR, you don't really think there is no jealousy? It's business. End the fiasco, let the consumer decide.
Holly in what way does that answer my question?
You said my claims were 'retarded'.
I asked why, given that both are true.
And you respond with this ?
I'm asking again - which of my 'claims' is 'retarded'?
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Not that I want to get in the middle of this flame fest, but I just have to ask, who has actually gotten scammed by FF? AFAIK, no one has. Anyone who didn't receive anything got a full refund from what I can tell. It's obvious that shipping, and communication were terrible to say the least, but product did show up, and it appears to be pretty damn good too from what people have said. So, I'll ask again, wheres the scam? We all know now that his shipping takes a long time, and it's in full escrow, so whats the problem?
This this and this.
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Sorry sit-down, not you. The posts above yours from august west and bolovide****
Posts were coming in hella fast
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Sorry sit-down, not you. The posts above yours from august west and bolovide****
Posts were coming in hella fast
sorry man I shoulda realized and not flown off the handle. Not like me.
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Again, why is it so hard to click my vendor page and check my feedback? It's obvious you haven't. :-\
The number of feedbacks mentioning refunds is alarming for domestic LSD. When that percentage starts going down, buyers of your product will go up.
As always, I wish you luck and look forward to seeing more positive reviews of your product. Thanks.
The guy didn't use DCNs for his first round. Many people took advantage of this but they were refunded. where is the problem here? USE THE ESCROW SYSTEM, HE EVEN ENCOURAGES IT. Hell, I finalized early and still received the day before he claimed it would get here.
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If you have an issue with FF, don't order from him! but I don't think that those of us who do want to deal with him shouldn't be able to. No one is going to blame anyone except FF if something goes wrong so stop trying to be "heroes" and fuck off. We're adults and can do with our money what we wish, and don't need babysitters. I have had a great experience with FF and all you naysayers are forgetting that this vending thing has a huge fucking learning curve, so give a new vendor some slack, shit! And SR I appreciate trying to "protect us against scammers" but really if he is a scammer then let us learn, if you truely believe in a free market you wouldn't be policing the market for vendors you don't like. I laugh whenever I read "SR is a truly free market..." cause thats straight up dumb
FF I think you're doing well and hope it all works out for you
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The guy didn't use DCNs for his first round. Many people took advantage of this but they were refunded. where is the problem here? USE THE ESCROW SYSTEM, HE EVEN ENCOURAGES IT. Hell, I finalized early and still received the day before he claimed it would get here.
I too finalized early, albeit by accident, and received my order on Monday. I am happy with FF so far, and am looking forward to buying from him again.
If you have a problem with him, then don't buy from him! Plain and simple!
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toker took this way too personally, 'cause FF called him a scammer or something. Even went to the mods to ban FF from the forums.
If FF is a scammer than by now people will either figure it out or they deserve to be scammed. You should let it die down and let the higher ups handle it at this point. People that ordered and didn't receive should be the only ones complaining. Peace + Love (And Knowledge?)
-euler
+1000 all the way, couldn't have said it better myself
Here is the fiasco.
Toker420, you probably had concerns for this community, and your concerns were rational. However you took this whole thing personally, and now you're hurting the community. FF is legit. I too, believed he wasn't for a long fucking time. But he's fucking legit man, now do what your username says and please toke a bowl. The guy does not deserve to be banned. I will be taking part in weekend's sale, and will probably be ordering a fuckload. All within escrow too.
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toker took this way too personally, 'cause FF called him a scammer or something. Even went to the mods to ban FF from the forums.
If FF is a scammer than by now people will either figure it out or they deserve to be scammed. You should let it die down and let the higher ups handle it at this point. People that ordered and didn't receive should be the only ones complaining. Peace + Love (And Knowledge?)
-euler
+1000 all the way, couldn't have said it better myself
Here is the fiasco.
Toker420, you probably had concerns for this community, and your concerns were rational. However you took this whole thing personally, and now you're hurting the community. FF is legit. I too, believed he wasn't for a long fucking time. But he's fucking legit man, now do what your username says and please toke a bowl. The guy does not deserve to be banned. I will be taking part in weekend's sale, and will probably be ordering a fuckload. All within escrow too.
Ok Holly, if you say so. I'll bounce out of this thread and let you all figure it out. Peace
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You guys are so narrow minded and need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. You get 1 (ONE) successful transaction from FF and tell the world that his stuff is the shit and he is legit. Which I suspect is exactly what he wants. Let me state some facts:
1. Granted he has refunded those who did not receive product 100% and what did he get in return? A 5/5..yes 5/5 for holding money for a couple of weeks then returning it. No product in the end. Yet he comes out on top with a (100) rating.
2. Steep learning curve you say? I agree with you absolutely, and if this is the case why doesn't FF master the art with individual sales before busting out group buys? It is my understanding with group buys you have to finalize early, and when enough people do so then he will send out the product (please correct me if i'm wrong/not trying to be a dick)
3. Administrators of the forum are stepping in.. do you guys really think it would be a rational decision to have a sale? Why not lay low and let ALL of the orders come in? What is the rush FF? You've had 2 sales within the month.
Feedback is FF's sole lifeline and is what is keeping him operational. If you take a look..
At least 5 received 100% refund where he received a majority 5/5
There were also claims of sheets being bunk/weak ~ 3
A few replacements where claimed to be send, according to forums those hardly showed up
About 3 said would update when received, never did update (maybe the posted on forums)
A couple finalized early
About 6 non-applicables (Default feedback or nothing at all)
A couple no-shows.
Only 2 actually tested product and gave a 5/5 with legitimate review
And only until recently (1st page) were the feedback positive which correlates with members here on the forum saying that FF is the bomb.com. Even with those there are only a few who actually tested product.
Seems to me like FF hit the ground running and is trying to go even faster. To acquire a legitimate reputation takes time and FF managed to do it within 1 month. I'm not trying to be a white knight or directing you guys how to spend your money. I'm simply gathering the facts that are dispersed on the tor network and posting them here. Do with them what you will.
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FF has stated that all group buys are within escrow. If it's hedged, there is literally no possibility of losing your money.
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You guys are so narrow minded and need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. You get 1 (ONE) successful transaction from FF and tell the world that his stuff is the shit and he is legit. Which I suspect is exactly what he wants. Let me state some facts:
1. Granted he has refunded those who did not receive product 100% and what did he get in return? A 5/5..yes 5/5 for holding money for a couple of weeks then returning it. No product in the end. Yet he comes out on top with a (100) rating.
2. Steep learning curve you say? I agree with you absolutely, and if this is the case why doesn't FF master the art with individual sales before busting out group buys? It is my understanding with group buys you have to finalize early, and when enough people do so then he will send out the product (please correct me if i'm wrong/not trying to be a dick)
3. Administrators of the forum are stepping in.. do you guys really think it would be a rational decision to have a sale? Why not lay low and let ALL of the orders come in? What is the rush FF? You've had 2 sales within the month.
Feedback is FF's sole lifeline and is what is keeping him operational. If you take a look..
At least 5 received 100% refund where he received a majority 5/5
There were also claims of sheets being bunk/weak ~ 3
A few replacements where claimed to be send, according to forums those hardly showed up
About 3 said would update when received, never did update (maybe the posted on forums)
A couple finalized early
About 6 non-applicables (Default feedback or nothing at all)
A couple no-shows.
Only 2 actually tested product and gave a 5/5 with legitimate review
And only until recently (1st page) were the feedback positive which correlates with members here on the forum saying that FF is the bomb.com. Even with those there are only a few who actually tested product.
Seems to me like FF hit the ground running and is trying to go even faster. To acquire a legitimate reputation takes time and FF managed to do it within 1 month. I'm not trying to be a white knight or directing you guys how to spend your money. I'm simply gathering the facts that are dispersed on the tor network and posting them here. Do with them what you will.
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FF has stated that all group buys are within escrow. If it's hedged, there is literally no possibility of losing your money.
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Shazam.
Please attack the within escrow function of the group buy, bolovide.
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I couldn't get on the forums that past few days so I missed a lot of what was going on, but here is my experience with FF...
Ordered a half sheet of print on the one day sale FF had around when he first showed up. Waited about 1-2 weeks and nothing showed up, FF said that it was an issue with his re-shipper and that he would send out a replacement half sheet of WoW with the rest of the orders from the customer appreciation day sale. I asked him to send it priority and sent him a coin to cover shipping costs, and he said he would and to expect it within 2-3 days.
Two to three days later nothing shows, I keep waiting until this past Tuesday (the 14th) to get it. It was postmarked Saturday the 11th (shipped 5 days late) and was not priority (first-class). So, I was a bit disappointed in that, but I was happy that I received it and didn't have to get and refund.
I am testing it out tonight. I have not finalized yet, because I want to test it out to make sure it is legit, and I told FF I was doing this. Overall, I DID receive my order, and although not shipped as promised I am excited to test it out...look for my review later tomorrow.
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It is indeed silver quality LSD. ;D
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Still haven't seen anybody step up and say they got scammed, so all these idiots need to GTFO of this fucking thread jesus christ you guys are fucking annoying going thread to thread flaming get a fucking a life.
I on the otherhand, am excited to pickup a sheet, maybe 2 or 3 8)
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Please attack the within escrow function of the group buy, bolovide.
Ok I retract my statement of the group buy/escrow. I stated clearly that I was unsure about his policy with the group buy.
But what about the rest of my argument? (Refunds resulting in 5/5; Steep learning curve yet initiating more sales/ FF rushing to sell all of his product/ FF's feedback) Are those not valid? You can't simply quote me and put a -1 that is..for lack of a better term childish. Initially I wasn't directing my statements to anyone aside from FF, but Holly you want to go back & forth? By all means..
I can't wrap my mind why you are so gungho about FF and his product. Have you made multiple purchases from them? Or are you basing all of your opinions on 1 successful transaction? I think the latter. Those who did receive a package and vouched for quality left a 5/5 made a few posts on the forums stating the great quality and left it at that. You on the other hand have been trolling all threads that are vaguely relevant to FF posting how he is the best vendor and he has primo stuff. And that we should all give him a chance. Are you expecting to gain attention from FF and build a relationship that way in future transactions he will hook you up? I think so. If not what are you interests in promoting FF's product so thoroughly? I understand that you want everyone to have Lucy, as do I. But just because FF did what he was supposed to (by sending product you paid for) does not mean you can negate everyone's suspicions and concerns. Hell look at his time here on the Road. It's going to take a lot more than a few successful transactions to erase the shit stain on FF's reputation.
Back on topic.. if I remember correctly the first group buy FF had he also claimed within escrow. When it came down to it he changed his policy of 50% before then when you receive product 50% after. People were itching to get cheap sheets and some buckled under the moment. How does the saying go? "You can talk the talk..but can you walk the walk?"
I'm not saying he is a scammer, just saying he has great potential to scam, and "they" have set up the perfect situation to walk out big. You guys put him on a high horse completely neglecting his ratio of sales:acquired product. Refunds don't count. Why didn't product show up on time/ at all? Oh yeah the "middleman" -.- However to keep the flaming to a minimum I am opting to end my argument here.
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Please attack the within escrow function of the group buy, bolovide.
Ok I retract my statement of the group buy/escrow. I stated clearly that I was unsure about his policy with the group buy.
But what about the rest of my argument? (Refunds resulting in 5/5; Steep learning curve yet initiating more sales/ FF rushing to sell all of his product/ FF's feedback) Are those not valid? You can't simply quote me and put a -1 that is..for lack of a better term childish. Initially I wasn't directing my statements to anyone aside from FF, but Holly you want to go back & forth? By all means..
I can't wrap my mind why you are so gungho about FF and his product. Have you made multiple purchases from them? Or are you basing all of your opinions on 1 successful transaction? I think the latter. Those who did receive a package and vouched for quality left a 5/5 made a few posts on the forums stating the great quality and left it at that. You on the other hand have been trolling all threads that are vaguely relevant to FF posting how he is the best vendor and he has primo stuff. And that we should all give him a chance. Are you expecting to gain attention from FF and build a relationship that way in future transactions he will hook you up? I think so. If not what are you interests in promoting FF's product so thoroughly? I understand that you want everyone to have Lucy, as do I. But just because FF did what he was supposed to (by sending product you paid for) does not mean you can negate everyone's suspicions and concerns. Hell look at his time here on the Road. It's going to take a lot more than a few successful transactions to erase the shit stain on FF's reputation.
Back on topic.. if I remember correctly the first group buy FF had he also claimed within escrow. When it came down to it he changed his policy of 50% before then when you receive product 50% after. People were itching to get cheap sheets and some buckled under the moment. How does the saying go? "You can talk the talk..but can you walk the walk?"
I'm not saying he is a scammer, just saying he has great potential to scam, and "they" have set up the perfect situation to walk out big. You guys put him on a high horse completely neglecting his ratio of sales:acquired product. Refunds don't count. Why didn't product show up on time/ at all? Oh yeah the "middleman" -.- However to keep the flaming to a minimum I am opting to end my argument here.
Explain to me how he';s going to walk off big when it's all in escrow? ;D Believe me this argument is very amusing. When FF came here, I actually immediately bashed him claiming he wasn't family at all. Sure, I've had one transaction with him. He asked me to finalize cause he was suspicious of me, and it was a special circumstance so I won't share it but it was a rational suspicion. I finalized early and guess what, I received the product not Tuesday, but Monday.
I haven't made multiple purchases from FF because I too, was at first skeptical, and I continued to watch his thread. I made a purchase after he canned his 1st middleman/drop shipper. He claimed all orders AFTER canning the middleman/dropshipper should arrive, and they did. Maybe not on time because he was still using a dropshipper, but it arrived. & the L is superbly clean.
I will be participating in this weekends sale, and will finalize AFTER thorough testing of the product with vendor davidd's testing kit.
I am not negating everyone's concerns, merely saying that those concerns are indeed rational, but you guys have carried your concerns too far at this point. Remember, it's still within escrow. The system was there to protect us from bullshit.
& your claims of me trolling swept right past me. I'm pretty far from a troll. Won't even challenge these claims. ;)
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How about this? Is there any way DPR can freeze my funds but still allow my account to vend for the sale? Then as soon as EVERYONE has received their order he can unfreeze them? ;D I can't think of any other way to get through to you guys.
--FF
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FF, i'm more concerned with you leaving SR than your account getting in any way frozen! You surely MUST stay.
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i have been watching this whole fiasco since day one, and after reading these posts through and through, i think i actually am going to order a couple sheets from forever family tomorrow, if my BTC order gets in to my account in time.
at first i messaged him about sending me some samples because i was skeptical but that was before i realized he was planning on leaving after this sale. as long as it all stays in escrow i'm totally going for it, case closed.
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my two questions about the whole situation are,
1. how many of the 50+ orders and resends are still pending,
2. why did you make posts about how you were leaving a couple days ago, then a few hours after that, you would probably be around in a couple months... to huge sale this weekend....150ug (doubtful) "silver fluff"
and two points.
1. some of the feedback you want everyone to read looks fabricated i.e.
super bomb LSD and a domestic vendor too!! all you skeptics can continue talking trash on the forums. I, however, will continue buying fire L at crazy cheap prices and loving every bit of it. as long as this vendor doesn't pack it up that is(I probably would if I had the same welcoming) 5000/10
The nice fluff visible on top looks beautiful.
2. what was the explaination of the character who had only a portion of a sheet that would glow under a blacklight?
something about the crystal being inside the paper and unavailable for photograph... coupled with not bitterness, but a reported numb tongue...just fishy.
I know some people got some packages, but I would like your sale listing to have instructions to not finalize until received and tested printed in bold letters at the top of the listing. it is one thing to say that the sale can be in escrow, but quite another to say that it is REQUIRED by YOU to remain in escrow until tested.
I guess that makes three questions, two points, and a request, but it's late, and I am a bit scattered right now.
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My nbome blotters do not glow under blacklight..... I bought these from emboom. FF's blotters do glow. But the numbing sensation? Hm. I also had everyone swallows their tabs immediately ... nbome is not orally active.
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Hey FF. I just sent you another resolution extension for my sheets, I have followed the tale the love you have spread-around sr so far and while it is sad that you have been struck with delays I am glad you are committed to reshipping our orders before you do a new batch. I'm glad I finalized early keep up the good work and I will finalize my second order when they both arrive and am looking forward to seeing how this sale pans out but as Holly said I would totally buy from you again and I hope you keep committed to working with us on silk road. Many of us are very supportive of vendors that have acted in good faith and are willing to finalize early if need be due to capital problems.
I mean... I feel like alot of the 1/5's are just waiting for FF reships, but if he selectively picks the ones that mess up the finalize process than he can still have a high success rate. I just want my sheets to arrive :( I finalized early on one order and the other is currently waiting in resolution, I wish that I could get an overnight reship before the saturday sale so I can tell you guys how it tastes. I really wanna see some of this silver crystal and hope that we do indeed see FF stick around, then Envious and the others will come around.
Don't fuck us over and we'll love you :3
-TheHiddenMan
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Here's the listings for the last of my sheets guys :-/ Sucks it has to go like this but I just can't handle the stress and put in the time needed to be a full time vendor here. Props to the guys who do this every day. Once again, full escrow, shipped Monday morning via Priority with DCN.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/21864
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/21863
--FF
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And I don't feel like retyping it all but after researching RC's on erowid this was my response to Holly
I looked up 25-bome on Erowid and it reports a 1hr - 1 1/2hr come up. Followed by a 12-14 hour trip? Sounds nothing like my baby lucy lol. And I read that you must allow it to dissolve completely in-between your cheek and gums, or leave it under your tongue for 30+ minutes to experience effect. I swallow my tabs almost instantly and never experience any loss of potency :D All these new crazy drugs scare me, sure they're great now but we have no idea what they can do 20+ years from now. Why is it so hard to stick to the naturals :(
--FF
From what I read, even with "complexing" as that guy called it, you still have to allow your tabs to fully dissolve inbetween your cheek and gums, or you must allow it to sit under your tongue for 30+ minutes without swallowing your saliva. I swallow every tab I take immediately and never notice any sort of loss in potency. This coupled with the >20 minute come up I always experience, unlike 45 minutes to a 1 1/2 hour come ups I am reading about with 25-bome, proves to me without a doubt this is 100% lsd. Me, my family (not a lame lsd family reference, actual family) and all of my friends have been dosing crystal from this supplier since 1995. As far as I am aware, RC's were not even around then and LSD was so abundant they were not needed. I would NEVER take the risk of actually killing or causing someone permanent psychological damage, as I've read these new drugs can cause very easily.
Who can I purchase a reagent for to settle this?
And would you mind posting picture of your test results AYK (Toker420)? ;D If you really have them this should be no problem at all.
--FF
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And now that I look, every single one of your posts are in one of my threads spamming this complete bs lol. Actually, one of your posts you are blatantly admitting you were going to try to trick your friends into believing your RC was actually lsd. This one right here.
Shipping / Quick Shipping Question
« on: February 11, 2012, 05:27 PM »
Hey I'm not planning to be a vendor or anything, just want to mail out some acid to a few friends using Priority Flat Rate Envelopes. When buying these flat rate envelopes do I need to provide an already designated return address? I actually have no experience shipping any packages, or letters. As far as I know I don't have to put any stamps on it..... if I want delivery confirmation do I have to buy one and slap a label on it or is this already trackable/confirmable with flat rate priority envelopes? As for the return address goes would it be wise to use a printed return business address from a local business?
The exact crime you are accusing me off. Good luck, don't come crying here when you're buddies leave you in a ditch for causing them permanent brain damage or death.
--FF
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I'm still waiting for my 1/2 sheet... but I have patience, and don't run around flaming people just for listing without any evidence to back my shit up.
Saying, such and such a person said FFs stuff was bunk, without a link or proof is pointless.
Saying it's NBOME is stupid, as it wouldn't work. NBOME requires larger doses than LSD, and therefore is usually placed on larger tabs, ask ENBOOM. As has previousy been mentioned, you can't swallow NBOME and get off either, you actually have to wait for that shit to soak in. I just had four bloomingcolor blotters that were bitter as fuck last night, and I have to say, it was weak LSD - which is why I dropped 4 - but it was LSD.
Before Toker420 started posting in these FF threads he had less than 50 posts, and so far the only complainers I've seen about FF have had low post counts - hardly evidence. Show me three people with post counts over 100 that have been around longer than two months and had an issue, and I may believe them.
I will be hitting resolve if they don't make it to me by Friday, the last day of my ability to resolve. Everyone has problems from time to time, the fact he's in escrow says a lot. He only ever asked you noobs to finalize early or 1/2 at the beginning, because MOST vendors did that with new buyers before SR put his foot down on early finalizations. Some vendors STILL require it, though I don't see how. The only information even mildly trustworthy is the feedback from actual orders, not the conjecture spewed here on the forums.
Holly and a couple others seem to have gotten something, so I will be optimistic and wait until the week is out.
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I'm still waiting for my 1/2 sheet... but I have patience, and don't run around flaming people just for listing without any evidence to back my shit up.
Saying, such and such a person said FFs stuff was bunk, without a link or proof is pointless.
Saying it's NBOME is stupid, as it wouldn't work. NBOME requires larger doses than LSD, and therefore is usually placed on larger tabs, ask ENBOOM. As has previousy been mentioned, you can't swallow NBOME and get off either, you actually have to wait for that shit to soak in. I just had four bloomingcolor blotters that were bitter as fuck last night, and I have to say, it was weak LSD - which is why I dropped 4 - but it was LSD.
Before Toker420 started posting in these FF threads he had less than 50 posts, and so far the only complainers I've seen about FF have had low post counts - hardly evidence. Show me three people with post counts over 100 that have been around longer than two months and had an issue, and I may believe them.
I will be hitting resolve if they don't make it to me by Friday, the last day of my ability to resolve. Everyone has problems from time to time, the fact he's in escrow says a lot. He only ever asked you noobs to finalize early or 1/2 at the beginning, because MOST vendors did that with new buyers before SR put his foot down on early finalizations. Some vendors STILL require it, though I don't see how. The only information even mildly trustworthy is the feedback from actual orders, not the conjecture spewed here on the forums.
Holly and a couple others seem to have gotten something, so I will be optimistic and wait until the week is out.
Thank you. If only every customer could think like this :-\
--FF
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Right on. I finalized the minute after it was in transit, technically before he shipped it. He said it would get here Tuesday, it got here on a Monday. Seemed like he really did pack my order when he said he would. But the stinging sensation, the numbness, I just can't get over. So puzzled. Eagerly awaiting lab results
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I'm still waiting for my 1/2 sheet... but I have patience, and don't run around flaming people just for listing without any evidence to back my shit up.
Saying, such and such a person said FFs stuff was bunk, without a link or proof is pointless.
Saying it's NBOME is stupid, as it wouldn't work. NBOME requires larger doses than LSD, and therefore is usually placed on larger tabs, ask ENBOOM. As has previousy been mentioned, you can't swallow NBOME and get off either, you actually have to wait for that shit to soak in. I just had four bloomingcolor blotters that were bitter as fuck last night, and I have to say, it was weak LSD - which is why I dropped 4 - but it was LSD.
Before Toker420 started posting in these FF threads he had less than 50 posts, and so far the only complainers I've seen about FF have had low post counts - hardly evidence. Show me three people with post counts over 100 that have been around longer than two months and had an issue, and I may believe them.
I will be hitting resolve if they don't make it to me by Friday, the last day of my ability to resolve. Everyone has problems from time to time, the fact he's in escrow says a lot. He only ever asked you noobs to finalize early or 1/2 at the beginning, because MOST vendors did that with new buyers before SR put his foot down on early finalizations. Some vendors STILL require it, though I don't see how. The only information even mildly trustworthy is the feedback from actual orders, not the conjecture spewed here on the forums.
Holly and a couple others seem to have gotten something, so I will be optimistic and wait until the week is out.
/thread. We should definitely keep trusting him if Holly and the others do :3 I just want our sheets to arrive so I can trip
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I'm still waiting for my 1/2 sheet... but I have patience, and don't run around flaming people just for listing without any evidence to back my shit up.
Saying, such and such a person said FFs stuff was bunk, without a link or proof is pointless.
Saying it's NBOME is stupid, as it wouldn't work. NBOME requires larger doses than LSD, and therefore is usually placed on larger tabs, ask ENBOOM. As has previousy been mentioned, you can't swallow NBOME and get off either, you actually have to wait for that shit to soak in. I just had four bloomingcolor blotters that were bitter as fuck last night, and I have to say, it was weak LSD - which is why I dropped 4 - but it was LSD.
Before Toker420 started posting in these FF threads he had less than 50 posts, and so far the only complainers I've seen about FF have had low post counts - hardly evidence. Show me three people with post counts over 100 that have been around longer than two months and had an issue, and I may believe them.
I will be hitting resolve if they don't make it to me by Friday, the last day of my ability to resolve. Everyone has problems from time to time, the fact he's in escrow says a lot. He only ever asked you noobs to finalize early or 1/2 at the beginning, because MOST vendors did that with new buyers before SR put his foot down on early finalizations. Some vendors STILL require it, though I don't see how. The only information even mildly trustworthy is the feedback from actual orders, not the conjecture spewed here on the forums.
Holly and a couple others seem to have gotten something, so I will be optimistic and wait until the week is out.
Okay, you obviously have no idea who I am. Not that you should be cause we've never dealt with one another. I have been on SR from the very beginning, my vendor account is under # 1,000. Yes I have been here that long. Before here, I was on OVDB ever since it up.
I had another account in the forums with a shit ton of posts and I deleted that account, look for yourself, there's plenty of guest replies from toker420 on the site.
And... I'd also like to point out that post count has shit to do with knowledge contained in a particular post. You don't think the LEO on here sit on here all day trying to establish a false sense of credibility with such things? Post count has shit to do with anything in the long run. Weren't you the dumbass saying saying I was bashing Canadians? I wonder why I'd ever do such a thing. Well mate, let me tell you that stupid ass attitude won't get you very far with me.
Keep my name out of your posts you don't know me, don't worry about me, I'm not worried about you. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
peace,
toker
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I'll be taking the listings down Monday night guys.
--FF
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ahhhh im getting btc right now! you'll have another order in an hour.
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Fucking christ. bank is closed due to presidents day. god damn.
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ripechik,
both enboom and duderugs have nbome for cheaper than FF is selling it. you should hit them up once you have your coins.
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ripechik,
both enboom and duderugs have nbome for cheaper than FF is selling it. you should hit them up once you have your coins.
Has it been established that it is indeed not LSD? I haven't read that yet. Forgive me if I missed it.
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there is some discussion about it towards the end of this locked thread. Holly had a sheet that caused numb tongue and builds extreme tolerance much like NBOMe would.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=8062.750
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Yeah pretty sure everyone is gonna get exactly what they deserve.
Just as planned, not a fuck was given.
:)
nomad bloodbath
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I got some bunk product, but it was definetly LSD on there (i was refunded)... Unless there's something different on these sheets. But someone like holly should have been able to tell 100% if it was L or not
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Frankly I don't care if it is LSD or not; just get off of SR and save us all a headache please.
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He only ever asked you noobs to finalize early or 1/2 at the beginning, because MOST vendors did that with new buyers before SR put his foot down on early finalizations. Some vendors STILL require it, though I don't see how.
FYI
SR banned out of escrow and not early finalizations. That is two different things.
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I purchased a custom listing from FF and re-sent my address for a re-ship today. Well SR support just told me both of my orders had been canceled. I received $170 or so back into my account..much different from the $225 I put into this. I guess I had to take a hit from the de-valuing of the bitcoin, but I really could not afford this...I was hoping FF was legit(as a couple people got what they ordered, I thought I just got unlucky), and now the value of my coin has depreciated greatly. I guess I didn't lose near as much as some people here, but compared to my net worth, it's probably just the same. :(
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FYI
SR banned out of escrow and not early finalizations. That is two different things.
How can you finalize early, but remain in escrow? Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem possible.
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FYI
SR banned out of escrow and not early finalizations. That is two different things.
How can you finalize early, but remain in escrow? Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem possible.
You cant.
Out of Escrow = sending coin directly from your 'account' page to a vendor (ie you dont put it in your cart and order)
Finalizing Early = ordering an actual SR listing, but finalizing prior to receiving the product (thereby negating escrow)
Finalizing Early does NOT equal Out of Escrow, but in terms of protecting you as a buyer they have the same effect....If something goes wrong, SR can't help you.
The actual difference between the two is FE lets SR take its cut, whereas SR doesnt make anything on OOE (hence why it was banned).
Kudos Nomad on locking FF's other thread of 50+ pages of excuses and smokescreens :)
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So wait, I've been sick... what has become of FF? lol What is going on??
-euler
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So wait, I've been sick... what has become of FF? lol What is going on??
-euler
Guy was a scammer from the beginning. Let it die, he'll probably never come back. Good riddance.
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In my opinion finalizing early should be banned just as out of escrow and all vendors should use tracking to protect themselves from customer scams.
:)
nomad bloodbath
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In my opinion finalizing early should be banned just as out of escrow and all vendors should use tracking to protect themselves from customer scams.
:)
nomad bloodbath
If only things were that simple Nomad :(
What about vendors in other countires who's only option is to have tracking with a signature? Would you buy from new vendors from other countires if this is the case? What about the tons of buyers who wouldn't even sign for a package from a reputable vendor? Are they supposed to be fucked because in the US it only takes 88cents worth of stamps and a sticker you get from the post office?
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Has FF been shut down or did he just cancel my order?
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early finalization can be stopped the same way that the resolve link isn't active for a number of days.
I know alot of sellers here don't want that, and they are trusted, but look at TFM. their sellers are all trusted, but you still cannot confirm delivery the same day as your order is marked in transit, and their sellers do quite well. I personally think there should be a 3 day wait before the finalize button is available.
there are digital products to think about though also, so maybe since the new feedback system weights feedback different for orders under $10, so maybe those orders should be able to FE, but everything over that should require a wait.
This isn't to make things harder for sellers, but rather doing what is right for the community as a whole.
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It's funny I've never once had a package go missing or have to finalize early.
I order from NL,Scotland, England, Germany, India, Russia and Canada.
No problems.
IDK
:)
nomad bloodbath
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Maybe it's because I choose my vendors intelligently and don't make rash decisions.
:P
nomad bloodbath
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Damn, all I see is negative feedback. I think you need to figure things out more before you're selling sheets. :-\
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It's funny I've never once had a package go missing or have to finalize early.
I order from NL,Scotland, England, Germany, India, Russia and Canada.
No problems.
Same here. All my orders besides 1 have been from holland, but the other was not domestic either. Don't be antsy and impatient. Let people prove themselves. It seems scammers know lsd is the place to come scam. Say you got some fluff blotter for cheap but you need funds released early and boom scam is on. Acid is cheap outside of the internet. Anyone who is willing to sell online should have the funds in real life to allow for the escrow time.
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So just for the record this was a 100% scam correct? did anyone at all receive a sheet from this guy?
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So just for the record this was a 100% scam correct? did anyone at all receive a sheet from this guy?
Quite a few people did receive orders from him. It did take a very long time though. I think everyone who bought from the last sale got their orders canceled by admin though.